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	<title>Comments on: We Finally Figured Out Why There&#8217;s So Much &quot;He Said, She Said&quot; Journalism Out There</title>
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		<title>By: SB</title>
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		<dc:creator>SB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 14:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It instead comes from a new iron triangle of self-sustaining support:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;- scientists chasing after research grants and stipends&lt;br/&gt;- universities, chasing after grants and researchers&lt;br/&gt;- political interests, more interested in the political implications of ecology findings than actual ecology&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ike, you&#039;ve engaged in a bit of begging the question.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1.  Who is giving the scientists money?&lt;br/&gt;2.  Who is giving the universities money?&lt;br/&gt;3.  Who are these political interests and where are they getting their money?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you truly believe in following the money, you need to start with where the money comes from that greases the entire political system.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s not coming from unions, or environment groups, or other minor financial players.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s corporate money -- that&#039;s what funds our entire political system, and pays for the candidacies of both Democrats and Republicans.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So show me the money that is going to &quot;pro&quot; global warming research -- and how it competes with the corporate money that is in the system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It instead comes from a new iron triangle of self-sustaining support:</p>
<p>- scientists chasing after research grants and stipends<br />- universities, chasing after grants and researchers<br />- political interests, more interested in the political implications of ecology findings than actual ecology</i></p>
<p>Ike, you&#8217;ve engaged in a bit of begging the question.</p>
<p>1.  Who is giving the scientists money?<br />2.  Who is giving the universities money?<br />3.  Who are these political interests and where are they getting their money?</p>
<p>If you truly believe in following the money, you need to start with where the money comes from that greases the entire political system.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not coming from unions, or environment groups, or other minor financial players.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s corporate money &#8212; that&#8217;s what funds our entire political system, and pays for the candidacies of both Democrats and Republicans.</p>
<p>So show me the money that is going to &#8220;pro&#8221; global warming research &#8212; and how it competes with the corporate money that is in the system?</p>
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		<title>By: Ike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 23:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;eco-fear&quot; money, for lack of a better term, does not in fact come from a large cash stash that arrived in $10 lumps from &quot;Mother Jones&quot; readers.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It instead comes from a new iron triangle of self-sustaining support:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;- scientists chasing after research grants and stipends&lt;br/&gt;- universities, chasing after grants and researchers&lt;br/&gt;- political interests, more interested in the political implications of ecology findings than actual ecology&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It really is the free market at work.  With less science money to throw around, a proposal with &quot;dire implications&quot; gets a lot more notice and prestige (and funding) for a college than one without.  Competition has bred us scientists with marketing savvy -- only they have to lay their prejudices on the line before the experiments start.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There are hundreds of sites that follow the corporate money -- but it&#039;s virtually impossible to track down the fear-money, because the evidence is buried in denied proposals, and because reporters have never bothered to ask the question.  It&#039;s easier to paint Big Biz as the villian and be done with it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I appreciate your candor, your bandwidth, and your willingness to host comment and dissent.  As the kids would say, &quot;U R teh R0xx0r.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;eco-fear&#8221; money, for lack of a better term, does not in fact come from a large cash stash that arrived in $10 lumps from &#8220;Mother Jones&#8221; readers.</p>
<p>It instead comes from a new iron triangle of self-sustaining support:</p>
<p>- scientists chasing after research grants and stipends<br />- universities, chasing after grants and researchers<br />- political interests, more interested in the political implications of ecology findings than actual ecology</p>
<p>It really is the free market at work.  With less science money to throw around, a proposal with &#8220;dire implications&#8221; gets a lot more notice and prestige (and funding) for a college than one without.  Competition has bred us scientists with marketing savvy &#8212; only they have to lay their prejudices on the line before the experiments start.</p>
<p>There are hundreds of sites that follow the corporate money &#8212; but it&#8217;s virtually impossible to track down the fear-money, because the evidence is buried in denied proposals, and because reporters have never bothered to ask the question.  It&#8217;s easier to paint Big Biz as the villian and be done with it.</p>
<p>I appreciate your candor, your bandwidth, and your willingness to host comment and dissent.  As the kids would say, &#8220;U R teh R0xx0r.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: SB</title>
		<link>http://www.ideagrove.com/blog/2006/05/we-finally-figured-out-why-theres-so-much-he-said-she-said-journalism-out-there.html/comment-page-1#comment-1732</link>
		<dc:creator>SB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 22:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ike:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I know where the corporate money comes from.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Tell me where the &quot;eco-fear&quot; money comes from.  Specifically.  And how much of it there IS, compared to what&#039;s in corporate coffers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ike:</p>
<p>I know where the corporate money comes from.</p>
<p>Tell me where the &#8220;eco-fear&#8221; money comes from.  Specifically.  And how much of it there IS, compared to what&#8217;s in corporate coffers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 20:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Follow the money, on that we agree.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When the oil-funded research shows less of a carbon-consumption impact, everyone screams about the taint of bias.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When the eco-fear-funded scientist professes that the world will end in ten years, he&#039;s hailed as a visionary.  No one stops to consider how his noisy squeaks have been greased, and the squeakiest get greased the most.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The drumbeat of fear is being pounded to the point that some scientists are advocating dire global action while admitting the evidence isn&#039;t conclusive.  &quot;It&#039;s too serious to wait until we know for sure!&quot;  (I&#039;m digging to find the direct quote to that effect.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;No worse society can be imagined than one in which the respective experts in each field are given unrestrained power over the people.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;- Freidrich A. Hayek</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Follow the money, on that we agree.</p>
<p>When the oil-funded research shows less of a carbon-consumption impact, everyone screams about the taint of bias.</p>
<p>When the eco-fear-funded scientist professes that the world will end in ten years, he&#8217;s hailed as a visionary.  No one stops to consider how his noisy squeaks have been greased, and the squeakiest get greased the most.</p>
<p>The drumbeat of fear is being pounded to the point that some scientists are advocating dire global action while admitting the evidence isn&#8217;t conclusive.  &#8220;It&#8217;s too serious to wait until we know for sure!&#8221;  (I&#8217;m digging to find the direct quote to that effect.)</p>
<p>&#8220;No worse society can be imagined than one in which the respective experts in each field are given unrestrained power over the people.&#8221;<br />- Freidrich A. Hayek</p>
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		<title>By: SB</title>
		<link>http://www.ideagrove.com/blog/2006/05/we-finally-figured-out-why-theres-so-much-he-said-she-said-journalism-out-there.html/comment-page-1#comment-1727</link>
		<dc:creator>SB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howard,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I can identify with what you&#039;re saying.  When I was a reporter, I covered religion in Dallas. I covered the conflict between fundamentalists and moderate Baptists, as well as in other denominations, in a way that won praise from both sides because of the balance.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, it&#039;s different when you&#039;re reporting on a subject like global warming.  I don&#039;t want to hear what some fossil fuel lobbying group has to say about it.  I don&#039;t want to hear what some political operative has to say about it.  I want to know what scientists have learned -- what their research indicates. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you or Ike think for a MINUTE that the financial incentive for scientists to exaggerate global warming exceeds what corporations will pay to scientists to research and profess anti-global-warming hypotheses, you&#039;re not following the money.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Read Richard Kluger&#039;s analysis of how science was manipulated by tobacco industry, Ashes to Ashes, as just one example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howard,</p>
<p>I can identify with what you&#8217;re saying.  When I was a reporter, I covered religion in Dallas. I covered the conflict between fundamentalists and moderate Baptists, as well as in other denominations, in a way that won praise from both sides because of the balance.  </p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s different when you&#8217;re reporting on a subject like global warming.  I don&#8217;t want to hear what some fossil fuel lobbying group has to say about it.  I don&#8217;t want to hear what some political operative has to say about it.  I want to know what scientists have learned &#8212; what their research indicates. </p>
<p>If you or Ike think for a MINUTE that the financial incentive for scientists to exaggerate global warming exceeds what corporations will pay to scientists to research and profess anti-global-warming hypotheses, you&#8217;re not following the money.</p>
<p>Read Richard Kluger&#8217;s analysis of how science was manipulated by tobacco industry, Ashes to Ashes, as just one example.</p>
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